Meetings
Summary Task Force Meeting #2
Tuesday, May 25, 2004
6:30 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, the Fermilab Community Task Force on Public Participation held its
second meeting. Task Force meetings are open to the public. A schedule of meetings and
summaries of past meetings can be found at www.fermilabcommunity.org.
Members in Attendance
Sally Arnold
Eva Cruz
Tom Cuculich
Roger Dixon
John Fildes
Tom Flanders
Alan Gard
Tom Kowske
Craig Jones
Vivian Lund
Steve Pawlowicz
Jeff Schielke
Bill Weidner
Ed Weiss
Herman White
Barbara Zeitz
Members Absent
Connie Cooke
Edi Eckley
Mark Intihar
Mike McCoy
Jeff Metzger
Leroy Mitchell
Welcome and Introductions
David Bidwell of The Perspectives Group, facilitator for the Task Force, welcomed Task Force
members to meeting. Members and other attendees introduced themselves.
David reminded Task Force members that meeting agendas, meeting summaries, some
meeting materials, and additional information resources will be posted on the website for the
Fermilab Community Task Force on Public Participation (www.fermilabcommunity.org). David
also reminded the group that portions of the meeting were being videotaped, so Fermilab is
able to tell the full story of the Task Force.
David reviewed the meeting agenda and stated that the Task Force is still in its learning phase.
This meeting would provide the group with more background information on the laboratory.
Approval of Task Force Charter
The Task Force approved its charter, which documents the purpose of the group and
expectations for behavior of Task Force members, the facilitator, and Fermilab staff. The final
charter is available at www.fermilabcommunity.org.
Future of Fermilab
John Womersley, Fermilab physicist, provided an overview of future plans for Fermilab. John
participated in a long-range planning committee convened by the laboratory director in 2003.
He explained that this committee evaluated the current role of the laboratory in high-energy
physics, its strengths, and options for future research, in order to develop a strategic plan
through 2015.
John stated that the world of high-energy physics would undergo many changes between now
and 2015. For instance, Fermilab will no longer have the world’s most powerful accelerator
when a new facility begins to operate in Switzerland in 2009. John explained that this new,
more powerful machine would allow for new research, such as the search for dark matter and
dark energy. Also, the current research projects conducted at Fermilab’s Tevatron accelerator
eventually will come to an end. Fermilab will need to change to adapt to these changes. John
stated Fermilab’s new role would likely include acting as a home base for U.S. scientists doing
research based on experiments conducted in Switzerland. Also, a new Tevatron project, BTev,
is planned to begin in 2009 and will conduct in-depth research on certain kinds of subatomic
particles.
John explained that there is a worldwide consensus on the need to develop a linear collider to
ensure the continued advancement of high-particle physics. The linear collider would be
similar to the Tevatron, but would be built as a straight tunnel versus a circle. The collider
would be constructed deep underground, and would stretch for approximately 25 miles. John
stated that the construction and operation of a linear collider would be a multibillion-dollar, fully
international project. Fermilab believes that--with community support--an area close to
Fermilab would be an ideal location to construct the new facility. The tunnel for this project
would be constructed in the bedrock approximately 100 feet underground; some above ground
structures also would be built. Currently potential hosts investigating the project include a
North American collaboration, a Japanese collaboration, and a European collaboration. John
stated that decisions regarding this proposed project would be highly political and require a
long and complex process. Therefore, Fermilab wants to be sure it also has other new projects
for the future, that don’t depend on the construction of a linear collider.
John described the NuMi experiment, which is currently under construction at Fermilab. The
NuMi experiment will study neutrinos by beaming them through the ground to a detector in
Minnesota. Fermilab expects that this experiment will lead to more neutrino research at the lab
and possibly the construction of new machinery, including a large-scale "Proton Driver." Finally,
he explained that Fermilab will continue its involvement in other complimentary projects
including astroparticle physics, which look at the connection between particle physics and
cosmology; and, the Hadron Therapy Center, a medical facility planned for a nearby technology
park.
Slides from John’s talk are available at www.fermilabcommunity.org.
Economic Impact of Fermilab
Dave Carlson, business manager for Fermilab, provided the Task Force with information
regarding the near-term local and regional economic impacts of Fermilab.
First, Dave clarified that Fermilab is owned by the U.S. Department of Energy and operated by
University Research Associates. He observed that the community surrounding Fermilab has
changed dramatically over the history of the lab.
Overall, the lab employs around 2150 people, most of which are full-time employees. Dave
stated that these workers have a significant impact on the regional economy. The total payroll
of Fermilab is $130-140 million of annual base pay. Dave estimated that when benefits are
added to this amount, the Fermilab workforce brings an estimated total of $180 million into
local economies. Most of these employees live in the communities surrounding the lab. In
addition, there are about 2600 particle physicists that conduct research at Fermilab; several
hundred of these researchers could be at the lab at any one time.
Dave also reviewed the economic impact of the procurement of services and products for
Fermilab. Last year, the business services division purchased 110 million dollars of goods and
services. Over the past few years, this number has ranged from $110 million to $130 million.
Dave stated that $40 million of last year’s total went to small businesses, $7 million went to
disadvantaged businesses, and $7 million went to woman-owned businesses. In response to a
question from a Task Force member, Dave clarified that Fermilab pays universities to develop
certain components of research projects.
Dave reported that roughly $50 million per year has been paid to companies in the State of
Illinois. In 2002, Fermilab spent approximately $6.5 million in the Fox Valley region. Dave
stated that due to this procurement and the employment opportunities it offers, Fermilab will
continue to play a major role in the regional economy.
A Task Force member asked if the economic impact of Fermilab would decrease if the
proposed linear collider were not sited near Fermilab. Dave stated that the laboratory hopes to
continue to grow, regardless of the outcome of the proposed linear collider, but it is difficult to
project specific numbers for the future. He added that a linear collider project or construction of
any new facilities would bring additional dollars into the community.
Slides from Dave’s presentation are available at www.fermilabcommunity.org.
Public Comment
One member of the public attended this meeting but did not wish to provide any comments.
Issues of Importance to the Community
David Bidwell led the group in an activity to identify issues of importance to the community.
David specified that the Task Force should identify issues where the world of Fermilab and the
lives of community members intersect.
Each Task Force member was asked to create a list of issues. Then, they split into small
groups of 3 to 4 Task Force members. Each group was instructed to share individual lists and
pick 5 issues that their group believed are most critical. Then, each small group shared the
issues they selected with the full Task Force and David posted them where the entire group
could see them. These critical issues are listed here:
- Safety and health issues
- Impacts to community reputation and quality of life
- Cultural impacts
- Impacts to open space
- Lack of understanding between Fermilab and the community
- Public use of the site
- Affects on traffic flow
- Impacts on electric power and water supplies
- Impacts to education
- Potential construction of accelerators beneath houses
- Fear of decreased home values
- Positive and negative economic impacts
- Economic benefits versus government waste of public funds
- Economic benefits of scientific research
- Economic benefit versus development potential of the Fermilab property
- Creation of new jobs
- Impacts to employment rates
Following this activity, David observed that the group had started to identify community values.
These values will help shape future discussions by the Task Force, as it develops
recommendations.
David also reported that Task Force member Alan Gard had begun to identify stakeholder
groups and issues that were of concern to each group. David distributed a copy of a matrix
developed by Alan to each Task Force member. Alan stated that he developed the matrix as a
suggested framework for considering community concerns, because different groups within the
community will be interested in different issues.
The SSC Process
During the 1980s, the State of Illinois pursued a large-scale project known as the
Superconducting Super Collider (SSC). This project would have led to the construction of a
large, underground accelerator ring beneath the communities near Fermilab. The State of
Illinois’ proposal to host this project faced strong opposition from some residents of these
communities. Eventually, the project was sited in Texas, but construction was halted in the
1990s when Congress pulled the funding for the project. David noted that many of the Task
Force members were familiar with this process. He stated that it is important for the entire
Task Force to understand the history of the SSC.
Ed Temple, now with Fermilab, worked on the site selection task force for DOE during the
1980s. He provided the group with an overview of the SSC project and the site selection
process that began in 1987 and ended in 1989.
In October 1983, DOE began to consider the construction of an SSC. In March 1986, DOE
issued a design study that outlined a conceptual design for an SSC facility. In January 1987,
Congress approved funding for the project. Ed explained that DOE developed specific criteria
for the selection of an SSC site, which would allow sites to be compared fairly. Of 43 initial
proposals, a list of best-qualified sites was developed for 7 sites. Hearings on a draft
Environmental Impact Statement were held in each of those 7 sites in October 1988. DOE
determined that any of the 7 sites would be adequate for construction of the SSC, but the
selection task force did not prioritize or rank these sites. Final site selection was made in
January 1989.
Ed showed the group the conceptual design for the SSC, which was a 53-mile circumference,
oval-shaped accelerator. DOE determined that if the SSC tunnel were constructed deep
underground, surface rights would not have to be obtained. The conceptual design also
included surface buildings. In addition to primary research and control buildings, the State
would have needed to obtain additional surface land to construct the required SSC service
areas at regular 5-mile intervals around the ring.
Ed reviewed the Illinois proposal for the SSC, which used the existing Fermilab accelerator as
the main injector for the new, larger accelerator. Ed emphasized that the proposal was
submitted by the State of Illinois, and the state was prohibited from interacting too closely with
Fermilab when developing its proposal. The eastern side of the accelerator would have been
located on the Fermilab property, and the oval would have stretched west to Kaneville. There
were several areas where the accelerator tunnel would have been sited beneath residential
areas. Ed stated that the review team deemed the Illinois proposal to be excellent.
David Bidwell asked Ed to explain DOE’s expectations for public involvement during the
selection process. Ed stated that he did not believe DOE had developed expectations for
involvement of local communities in this process. He thought communities would embrace the
project, but he said that he had to revise that opinion once he attended the public hearings for
the draft environmental impact statement (EIS).
John Fildes asked if a proposed linear accelerator would go through a similar competitive
selection process. Ed stated that he did not know what the process would be for selecting a
linear accelerator site, but he stated that Fermilab is one of two sites currently being discussed
in the United States. However, he stated that choosing a site for the linear collider could be
more flexible, because it would not have to be physically attached to the laboratory.
Jeff Schielke remembered that during the selection process for the SSC, many communities
from states submitting proposals contacted him to get information on Fermilab. He stated that
they were primarily interested in economic benefits. Task Force members asserted that it is
important to learn from the community reaction to the SSC selection process, and the
underlying causes of public opposition. David assured the group that there would be
opportunities at future meetings for the Task Force members to discuss their experiences
during the SSC selection process.
Next Meeting
The next meeting of the Fermilab Task Force on Public Participation is Tuesday, June 22 from
6:30 to 9:00 p.m. at Fermilab’s Wilson Hall. Representatives from the Brookhaven (Long
Island, New York) and DESY (Germany) high-energy physics facilities will attend that meeting
and provide insights on public involvement activities at their laboratories. Members of the
public are invited to attend this meeting.